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Is this all a ploy to break the back of the unions or get a clean new site./ Were are all the cnc machines going????????
Would like to have a Winchester catalog. I am interested in the Ranger compact .357 mag rifle. Thanx for your attention
Absolutely the best rifle i ever purchased is my model 94
carbine in 44 mag . i will
never buy from fn or browning
since they are one and the same
It would be great if the Winchester line of manufacture was resumed as American made products with American ownership and management. Apparently the FNHerstel/USRA license agreement with Olin for use of the Winchester name brand expires within a year. What effect this might have on the continued production and import of Japanese manufactured firearms bearing the Winchester brand seems an open question. Ideally, new ownership of the Winchester facility and rights to manufacture and market under the Winchestere brand should exclude FNHerstel from any use of the Winchester brand. The Winchester brand name is truly an American historical icon and should be maintained accordingly.
winchester is my gun of choice...i own 7 model 70 rifles .. 6 are post 1994 model 70s and 1 1979..all are extremely accrurate and very dependable..i have a 338 mag, 2 300 mags , a 270 wsm , a 25-06 , a 22-250 and 30-06.. all are classic models...there is no better hunting rifle made out the box than winchester.. i do not buy into the pre 64 bs..i do not buy the sports writers articles...i shoot the weapons and experiance the quality of a well made rifle first hand...an american institution is being sold out by sporting magizine writers that may have an agenda that is related to benifits and sales instead of facts...lets get real ...steve thomas il.
Winchester is not just a gun company, it is an American Icon. It would be a national travisty to loose such an important part of our history. It is also national security issue and threat to loose an arms manufacturing capability that Winchester is and was. I am deeply concerned that the US is loosing its defense related manufacturing and arms manufacturing capability. This is highly disturbing when we are at war! America wake up we need to save Winchester!
I purchased Ithaca Guns USA in December of last year. The support has been phenominal- from end users. The problem comes from the investment community- whom want the guns exported so the margins are higher.An idea for all of you that have written to this effort- strength comes in numbers- alot of Americans have lost there jobs to offshoring.Emails in support of the company are great-however they do not get the needed money to fire up a new leaner business model. Think about jointly starting a corporation such as American Traditions Firearms Company. Have the stock owned by gun owners and enthusiasts- if you take it public- the profit will not be great enough to attract investors from the "street".You do not want non shooters telling the manufacturing firm where and how to build guns- thats partly why they are in the position they are now. I may own Ithaca Guns along with my father- but I have just as many models 70s, 94s,1885 low walls, etc in my safe.We have a duty as Americans to see that our history is not sold offshore.Winchester is a name that evokes visions of the wild west and beyond. I would personally offer any assistance I could from the manufacturing
disciplines to reinstate the quality and improve the bottom line-it can be done here in the United States.The model has to be changed.Respectfully,
Craig
Of all the firearms that I own, my favorite is the one that my father handed down to me. It is a Winchester model 1894, 32WS. I would love to have others as well, but buying a "Winchester" with Japan stamped on the barrel is not an option.
HOW CAN A GREAT GUN MAKER GO OUT AFTER 150 YEARS......WE NEED YOU TO STAY........
Winchester is an important part of American history and needs to remain an American company.
I think it is a travesty that THE American gun manufacturer, in business for almost 150 years should be forced out of manufacturing because of economic concerns. This manufacturer is the epitomy of American manufacturers and their product is the American icon, one of the most recognizable firearms in history, seen in hundreds of movies, TV programs, etc.
Please keep the plant open and all the workers employed.
Thanks
we need to do what we can to save Winchester! Winchester is a American icon , American tradition. maybe the government needs to help like they did with Chrysler in the 80's. maybe smith & wesson should buy it. there first lever gun could be a model 94 in s&w; 500 cal. I'll buy one even if it cost more. Winchester is a part of my family heritage as I have 1873,1876 & many other winchester's that have been past on to me from as far back as 5 generations. if we let Winchester go what would that say about us as a nation. save Winchester so the generations to come will know why the DUKE & JOSEY WALES carred the flag ship of guns
If Winchester is made in the U.S.A., and is made with quality, and will reintroduce the old models of lever actions, I would start purchasing them. Winchester clones, made in Italy, have raked in a fortune. I would prefer to buy American. The profit potential is there, if the quality, and availability are there. I buy Italian clones now because I have no choice. Between Cowboy Action Shooting, and the N.R.A. members, and the N.M.L.R.A. members, and the collectors, you could sell all you could make. Winchester is too important to let die. It is a part of our history, and our culture, and who we were and are. Someone WILL make a "Winchester", somewhere. Question is, will it be Winchester or Uberti?
Damn shame lossing Winchester, but I think the down trend started with the changes made to a quality product in 1964. Its to bad that the cash register boys have the final word in these matters. Also the Leftist media and their co-herts feel that any company that builds firearms are the only (("pronography"(there words)) outlets they wish to close down. That dosent help any for sure.
I will be a sad day if Winchester is forced to move overseas or out of the firearms picture completely. All the company needs is some innovation and improvement of the old standbys and I think she will rise again to greatness.
We as americans would love to see your company stay open and in the United States. I suggest that all of us send to you $1.00 out of our own pockets to see you stay open. I estimate that you would receive about $10,000,000.00. Would this be enough for you to stay open and supply us with the firearms of our choice?
We love your company, and as law abiding citizens, we will do our part to see that your company never closes!!!
It is a shame to lose Winchester
I'm only a teenager, but I grew up reading Louis LAMour Western books, and watching Western movies. I still do enjoy those activies, and have been shooting guns for a good while. I have always wanted a Winchester. Now that I am old enough for my Dad to let me buy one they close. Now I cannot afford to buy a Model 94 that i have been saving for. My father has a 94 in 30-30, but being a teenager the gun has to much recoil for me and a .44 mag Winchester now is very, very expensive. You can find 30-30's for a resonable price, but not near as cheap as they used to be. But as I stated I am just a 15 year old and have not been alive long enough to share the pain that you men and women share. But i hope to console you with the knowledge that some young people care about our heritage. I will do anything that is phyisically possible for a person of my age to preserve the rich history of our great nation. And Winchester happens to be a part of that.
John Wayne. The Colt 1873 Single Action Army. The Winchester lever action rifle.
All of these are Icons. You look at them, and you recognize them instantly. People around the world do too. They mean Cowboys; they mean the Old West; they mean America. There are other parts of our history that are important, but none are so uniquely American as those tied to the Old West. Even today they are a big part of the guiding spirit of our country. To some, Winchester may just be a gun company. To me it's History, and its a part of who I am. Don't let that die without a fight.
As a Cowboy Action shooter I'm going to miss Winchester. Actually, I've missed them for years! In my sport I've had to buy replica Winchesters to compete. I have a Rossi Model 92, a Uberti 66 and 73, and a 65 year old Winchester Model 97 shotgun. We so wished that we could buy new, off the shelf, American made Winchesters, but over 70,000 members of the Single Action Shooting Society have had to buy Brazilian, Italian or Japanese rifles that Winchester made famous. I just never could understand the lack of thinking that USRAC exercised when confronted with why they weren't selling 94s to Cowboy Shooters. As someone once said, "Here's how to make a 94 competitive--sell it and buy a 73!" We so hope that the new owners will recognize the history of Winchester and that there a bunch of us that shoot the replicas only because that's all we've had available.
I own one Winchester, a Model 1873 manufactured in the 1890s. Cheap Italian knockoffs are not my style. There is nothing in this world, like an original. Keep it here in the USA.
I like Winchester- I like there guns. I think it's a shame to drop all of it. I would love a 1892 and a 1895.
Caleb Rutledge told me about this site, Mike. I will do whatever I can within reason to spread the word about saving this historic American company. Owning 2 modern Winchesters myself, and having shot and handled a few older models, I applaud your efforts to return to the pre-'64 manufacturing standards.
In order to survive, Winchester needs to become a producer of smaller quantities of higher quality firearms. There is simply ZERO comparison between the old and new Model 70's and 94's. Likewise, it is pointless to compare a finely milled and blued Model 12 or '97 to the anodized aluminum 1300. The legend of Winchester was born with guns that were a little more expensive, but of much higher quality than the competition. Likewise, the legend died when the company tried to compete for price-points.
True, the better guns cost more, and there are people who will not pay for them. Fine - the masses will be perfectly well served by Remingtons, Savages and Rugers that are made with cookie cutters. The fact is that these companies are better at making cheaper guns anyway, as evidenced by Winchester's current predicament. But that smaller number of customers who know the difference will hapily pay an addtional 25-50% for a real 12, '97, 70, 1886, 1890/62, 1903/63, 52C, or even pre-64 "bargain" guns like the 69A/75, which are still better than much of what is marketed today.
Do it right and charge accordingly. Otherwise, don't do it at all. We want guns worthy of the name "Winchester", not guns that merely carry it.
Although I do not currently own a Winchester, I am interested in their Model 12 shotguns, which helped America win some of the largest wars that have ever existed. I also like the idea of a .410 gauge lever gun.
I am a new resident in Australia from South Africa. I had to leave my beloved 375 behind.PLEASE save Winchester! for our children.
I would love to have a REAL Winchester '73 rifle, but the originals are just too pricey. I refuse to buy a replica from overseas. They ARE NOT Winchesters. A real Winchester 1866 and a Henry from Winchester would be a MUST BUY for me, but again, the old originals are out of my price range. I don't belong to CAS but I'll bet they'd jump on a real made in America Winchester in the cowboy calibers in the old model rifles. Hope you can keep Winchester manufacturing alive and IN THE USA.
I have been so busy making a living (read - working my @$$ off) for 40 years, that my teen-age love of old west weapons was nearly forgotten. I am nearing retirement age now and have just-recently re-fallen in love with those romantic firearms. Now one of the most important companies responsible for those guns is going away. I sincerely hope that some way may be found for them to come back and build fine american-made rifles. If it takes my buying my long-desired 30-30 Winchester, I'll do it (if it's Made in America).
I own 8, and I'd love to own plenty more. Keep 'em going!
The Remington 700 is a crappy design, bring back the M70!
I have always loved my Model 70's and 94's. I would love a High Wall in 7mm. Please bring back the company.
Mike, it was great to meet you the other day at CST. I wish you the best of luck and I will do my best to spread the word of the "Save Winchester" effort.
i would very much like winchester to remain a symbol of american freedom and manufacturing prowess.
Sign Mike Nault
Winchester is an American icon and a part of our national heritage. It is a symbol of our nation's culture to stand fast to our democratic priciples and not giveway to tyrany
Is this a "New Coke, Classic Coca-Cola scam:?...just kidding. I agree with the suggested comments calling for HIGH quality American made 94's and 70's. The pre-64 70 is considered by many to be the best bolt action hunting rifle ever produced...you all know this. Anyhow......Handcraft them, machine the parts, not cast...just high quality American steel...and Canadian grown wood, then sell in smaller quantities at a profitable price.....say $1000 to 1600.00 for the 94's and $1300 to 2000 for the 70's of varying sub s........"Abstain from foriegn entanglements" (George Washington) keep it in the U S of A.....men
Why not let us (a few thousand guys like me) buy the company.
HIGH QUALITY NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE. BUILD A HIGH QUALITY FIREARM I. E. AS IN PRE-64 WINCHESTER AND IT WILL SELL LIKE HOTCAKES.
Everyone who likes(d) the old Winchester needs to face a few facts:
1. No company in their right mind would consider re-establishing manufacture of Winchester products in the anti-gun environment of New Haven -- so that is "dead issue"
2. The demise of Winchester in CT is directly attributable to the poor quality of the firearms produced there -- and there is more than enough blame for that situation to go around; i.e., unions, management, workers who were more interested in a paycheck than quality work, etc.
3. Herstal will probably "sit" on future production until they determine whether they will (can) renew their license with Olin in 2007 -- thus, do no expect any "major" developments until then.
4. IF the Model 70 and Model 94 return to production in the U.S. they would face very, very tough scrutiny with respect to quality -- if they were not like the pre-64's, they would be doomed.
5. The American firearms market has been "flooded" with cheap rifles with poor quality workmanship from just about everyone except Sturm-Ruger... we do not need more, regardless of the name they call them.
6. UNLESS WINCHESTER CAN BE RETURNED AS A QUALITY FIREARM - WE SHOULD BURY THE BRAND WITH THE RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES AND HONOR ITS PAST, AND BEMOAN THE FACT THAT IN THIS "MODERN AGE", THERE IS SCANT LITTLE ROOM FOR QUALITY -- IF THE CHINESE CAN'T MAKE IT CHEAP, WE DON'T WANT TO PAY.
Winchester is as American as it gets. Let's not let a great icon disappear. Re-establish the Pre-64 quality and continue making GREAT firearms, and the shooting public will respond.
Please keep Winchester manufacturing of the Model 70, 94 and all current productions in America. Employ fine american craftsman like you have in the past.
I have been a Winchester fan all my life (I am 31 years old). My dad and brothers always shot Winchesters. Unfortunately, the later Winchester guns fell to the "maximize profits" concept that the 2 big American auto manufacturers fell into. What is happening with Ford and Chevy? Why do the Japanese auto makers Toyota and Honda make a superior product? They produce a quality product and do not cut corners. That is why it is not uncommon to see a Toyota run for 250,000 miles and a Ford or Chevy struggles to make it to 100,000. There is no reason that any American manufacturer should produce sub-quality products when compared to a foreign competitor. But we let it happen. I agree with Ronald G. Martin from California. Set up a new shop, produce high quality rifles and shotguns, and people will buy them. Cut corners, and the Winchester name will fade into history.
I love the winchester company i am 14. And my first rifle was an Winchester 94AE 30-30. And i love it. We need to keep makeing guns in america. I will not buy an gun that is made out of this country. Just start makeing guns in america from now on ok.
There are millions of nice Pre-1964 Winchester rifles to shoot and collect; post-64 winchester rifles have been always been junk. The best thing USRA that could do for its consumers is set up a factory in the West where union wage scales are lower, and then produce nice custom shop, high quality rifes again. I will order one. rgm
What do you think odds are someone buys the USRAC plant? Why do people say Winchester is moving when only USRAC is? Winchester is in East Alton, IL for good. ---- That is the double edged sword of brand unity. To the vast majority of people Winchester is the firearm regardless of legal ownership of the name.
I have had my 94 since 1973 and is still my favorite. My first one to get and the last one to give up. I just called to order my dream a legacy and they say no more.What is this country comming to anyway. Disapointed
Winchester American firearms are the best. I must have a model 70 supergrade "Born In The USA"!!!!!
winchester is a great was product.i own a 94 and it works great.we got in two brand new mid grade 357 levers in and neither one of them worked.the quality of the firmarms at the end of their time making gun was horable.all it needed was to make a quality firearm and it would still be here today.what shocked me the most is at shot show they were selling jerky. jerky.thats a slap in the face when you were selling nice firearms, all of a sudden quit making them and show up at shot show selling jerky.
I am currently a gunsmith student at the Colorado School of Trades. When I think of the United States of America, I see Bald Eagles, White Picket Fences, and the Winchester Logo.
I want to be one of the first gunsmithes to work for the New Winchester, A REAL AMERICAN COMPANY with true American values and no Union.
I am a very hard worker and I do not need the Union to keep my job for me!!!
If Winchester would start production of rifles and shotguns to exact "pre 1964" specifications,and bring the jobs back to America,odds are that production couldn't meet demand. I would be glad to be on the waiting list to purchase these high quality firearms. I'm sure many other firearm enthusiasts feel the same way. SAVE WINCHESTER!!!! T.G.R.
1. Winchester hurt themselves by making some troublesome products (my buddy's Mod '94 Cowboy gun), then not supporting it properly.
2. There seems to have been little/no innovation in recent years. At least not obviously.
3. The culture seems to have changed, away from the point where "everybody" owned a gun(s). However, Harley-Davidson went through a similar period, where the Rice Burners seemed poised to wipe out the company, which no one would have missed much anyway because the product was frankly inferior. That's turned around 180 degrees, perhaps there's some lessons for Winchester. Tradition only goes so far, if they can learn the secret of combining tradition with innovation, ala H-D, they can not only survive, but prosper.
how many of us will pledge not to buy any foreign produced firearm in 2006? Also how many of us have bought foreign cheap shotshells and 223 ammo? Winchester is American and ammo built in America. Why are we so upset about USRAC c losing but we buy foreign built products every day?
For more than 100 years Winchester has been the greatest rifle manufacturer in the United States. You can see the demand for the product in the increased prices of the discontinued M-70 and M-94's that are being sold by collectors. Bring the owenership of Winchester back to America and resume production and people will buy the product.
I have a model '94 30-30. It is the classic American rifle and needs to be produced in America by Americans!!
If winchester is destroyed,then the very heart and soul of america is also destroyed.
Outsourcing and sending our heritage and indeed even a component of our security overseas has to stop somewhere. I can think of no better place than with Winchester and pro-gun people who both have protected our nation and certainly our consititution from a lot of dangers this is just another one. This is also the time and the place to make a stand. Winchester can and should be the catalyst to do it. I bought two winchesters last year Bring'em back and I'll buy four this year.
I don't personally own a Winchester firearm, but have shot them. I know Winchester has had much to do with some good designs available from different manufacturers. The more competition in the marketplace makes everyone stronger and better. KEEP IT IN AMERICA!
There needs to be presure on OLIN Corp to buy the operations and combine the name, the gun, and ammo under 1 owner. Write to OLIN and ask them to keep winchester alive and well. After all, what better way to sell Winchester ammo if you have a Winchester gun to put them in.
Olin Corp.
190 Carondelet Plaza
Suite 1530
Clayton, MO 63105-3443
SAVE IT ! IT IS AN IMPORTANT
PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY. THANKS WINCHESTER FOR ALL YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE USA. GOD BLESS.
I'm not happy shooting a clone from some foreign country when I could be shooting the real thing from the USA.
KEEP WINCHESTER PRODUCTION!
KEEP WINCHESTER EMPLOYEES!
KEEP WINCHESTER AMERICAN!
Winchester not Chinchester!
Please save Winchester, and keep the company in America!!
It is un-American to give away a piece of American history.
What a travesty to close the US Plant. It was unexpected. Even before this occurred model 94s, model 70s and model 12s seemed to fly off the shelves at every gun shop I can think of. If the plant wasn't profitable it wasn't because of a lack of demand or a substandard products, there must have some kind of mismanagement. Can this website post somekind of visual timeline on the efforts to Keep Winchester in the US? Also how can the average US shooter support these efforts, i.e. purchase an interest in any kind of American Corporation that will keep Winchester American? Stocks, interests, etc.
Semper Fi,
Captain Woodard, USMC (Active)
I beleive that Winchester, with such a long history and tradition as being American, truly needs to stay that way and once again be the standard in American firearms!
Personaly the winchester is my favorite brand of gun my favorite kind is th 76 model.
I have many winchester guns and am always looking for more. If Winchester will not make the models I am looking for I will be forced to go to smaller US manufactures who make similar products like Kimbers model 70 clone. Winchester has been in the history of my family since long before I was born. I was looking forward to purchasing a new feathreweight 300 wsm in the next two years.
I am enrolled at Colorado School of trades for Gunsmithing.
When I heard that Winchester was, a commin back, I felt a great excitement!! Here are my feelings. If Winchester really wants to make a come back and be a completely new and innovative company them I believe as I told your rep., "new company new location!!!", I really believe Winchester should be WEST!!! Going west offers more excitement to the name Winchester. Remember how the west was won, "WINCHESTER". The name Winchester is synonymous with the west. I do know a great place for Winchester to move. No state taxes, and no taxes on inventory. A great state with great people. I also know a place in this state that wants gun manufacturers to locate there.
To work for a company like Winchester would be an honer. Especially as a custom gunsmith. Sign me up now!!
winchester is a american legend
it is a sin what there doing as a gunsmith/custom rifle maker in training it is hurtin my heart with the recent goin's on so lets save it for everybody
i am a student at colorado school of trades in lakewood i graduate in august so if you need some smiths get in touch
hope every thing
works
god bless
joseph k clendenon
I to am enrolled in the Colorado School of trades and am studying to be a gunsmith. First what Michael Blank said really struck a nerve, I own four winchester rifles, and I was sad to see the factory close, and a american institution go away.
Mr. Blank talked about creating a american manufacturer of quality firearms, this I support whole heartedly, but make it a american company....screw foriegn money, screw foriegn parts manufacturers...100% american made and IF YOU BUILD IT PEOPLE WILL BUY IT...I would and so will others even if the price is a little higher then other guns.
Inovation and change are good, but dont forget who brought you to the dance..The model 70 action is better then any other on the market...The model 70 rifle is just as good.
Bringing back the classics is extremely exciting, Sign me up for a model 76 right now.
In short what Mr. blank said was almost all good...except for the foriegn parts thing...and if you want to really make a shake up....bring back a Winchester M1 Garrand and give Brazil(Springfield) some competition
In close I support this initiative and will help make it a reality any way I can.
The Winchester Firearms company is an American Icon. Much like Colt's, Marlin, and Smith & Wesson. This type of history cannot be allowed to die.
I am Studying to be a gunsmith at the Colorado School Of trades. Winchester is an American tradidion. It is (was)a huge source of income for the state of connecticut. Today a getleman came to speak to us, and piqued my interest.I would love to help save ane espectally to WORK FOR Winchester. Sincerly John Sellers (303)263-3824 [email protected]
My first gun was a Winchester Model 77 in .22lr given to me by my grandfather. It still is my most treasured possession some twenty five years later. I am greatly dismayed by Winchester's closing and I had to scramble to get a new M70 Sporter 3 in .30-06, 9422 Tribute in .22 Mag and a 9410 lever action shotgun. The overall quality of the Winchesters of late has not been the greatest, but Winchester's made in America legacy cannot be allowed to die. This greatest of American firearms companies must be brought back to its once proud standing. This can only be done by offering a well made product that people are willing to buy at a price point that people are willing to pay. Figure this out and the gun buying public will beat a path to your door. Long live Winchester!
Dear Sirs,
The loss of the Winchester Model 70 Classic Action has been a severe set-back to the custom gun community. That action, imho, is the canvas for the best artisans in our business... Names such as Darcy E'chols and David Miller build almost exclusively on the Classic... I came to the Colorado School of Trades due to my endearment to best grade Model 70s, at the suggestion of Mr. Echols several years back. To say that the news they were being discontinued on month 9 of the course was a disappointment would be an understatement. I would LOVE to see this action come back on line, built right, and built by an AMERICAN Company...
I would also like to see a number of quality control issues addressed as well a few simple design improvements implemented. Minor improvements that would make for more reliable action with belted cartridges and make the trigger pull more consistent after engagement and disengagement of the safety...
I've been buying early Classic Super Grades for sometime and would love to see quality return to what it once was when the were originally reintroduced...
In summation I am VERY much interested in the future of US Repeating Arms retaining the Licensing rights to the Winchester Name from Olin Corperation and making Model 70s RIGHT, Right here in the USA once again...
Regards, Matt Garrett
Colorado School of Trades
Lakewood, Colorado 80215
[email protected]
757-581-6270
The loss of Winchester manufacturing in the US would seem to me to indicate to the rest of the world(and the UN) that the US is becoming more anti-gun as years go by. Not a good thing!
My first cnter fire rifle was a model 70 in 243. I was looking to buy more in other calibers. I also have a model 94. How do I enlarge my collection now?
Save this American ICON!! At 35 years in the sales industry
I will offer my sales mgt skills to help turn this great company around!! Please call anytime
317-258-5545
The first centerfire rifle that I ever fired was my Dad's pre 1964 Model 94 that my Mom bought him at the PX when he was in the Army in the late 1950's.He has given me all of his guns except the Model 94. My Wife bought me a Model 70 in .270 caliber for our 10th anniversary. It is so smooth and really just handles really well. I was planning on buying my Son one when he was a little older but now things look pretty bleak.I have a mix of guns including Remington and Ruger but my Model 70 is my favorite rifle.Keep Winchester alive and keep the guns made in America !
Always intended to buy a '94 in .30-30; never got around to it. You have my word on it: if they again become available, I'm first in line.
would be a shame to lose this company to china or any other foreign country. Have owned winchesters for over 60 years of my 80 years. Please reopen your plant
An American icon shouldn't fade into obscurity in this way. I've owned an 1894 in .30-30; got my first deer with it. It's time to rally the troops on this one.
It's a sad state of affairs when a company like Winchester is in this situation. There is a lot of blame to pass around, which doesn't solve anything. Look what happened to Colt. My best friend and hunting/shooting buddy passed away 1 1/2 years ago. I'm glad he's not around to see this!!!
John Centi, Somerset, PA
Winchester should have moved out of Connecticut years ago. I am sad to see the loss of Winchester. I am happy about the loss of jobs in a "blue" state whose politicians have only harmed the Constitution in general and the Second Amendment in particular. Living in another "blue" gun-grabbing state, I try to make as many purchases in so-called "red" states.
Winchester, an American heritage, what else can be said.
Well between the U.N. and our home bred liberal gun grabbers it's know wonder companies like Winchester are having a hard time!! Maybe they are caving in who really knows,but I agree with Michael Blank on one major point, "Americans can compete",have been for over a 150yrs.now all of a sudden Winchester can't,I find that a bit hard to understand. Boy I can hear Colt,Spencer,Sharp,Remington,Henry,and of course Winchester talking in disbelief,what are you people doing?? Are you people going to allow forieners and foolish blue state traitors destroy our Bill of Rights,I think not!! And in case you're wondering why I didn't add Smith & Wesson to our list of early Firearms designers and builders,they found out the hard way about the wrath of firearms owners when they sold out to the Clinton Adm.in the 90's, it wasn't until they were bought back by Americans that they slowly regained their previous stability,live and learn, and never forget,STAY THE COURSE,giving up will achieve their success and our failure Joe
A company with the poor product mix and insistence on the "improved calibers" ie all the WSSM and WSM cartridges which are poor sellers at best deserves what it gets. If Winchester were serious about staying business they would do like Ruger and move out of the union/liberal controlled area of Conneticut.
While it is sad to lose an American company, the laws of capitolism apply; make a product the consumer wants you survive. If you don't you fail
94's forever!
Model 12's can't be beat: I still use my first in 20 gauge bought for $56.00 brand new.
I would by a 1300 Camp defender in a minute.
Anyone who doesn't own at least one '94 is UnAmerican. I have two and would buy one or two more in different calibers.
94's must be made in New Haven.
Why can't winchester do what Harley Davidson did? Look at Ballard Rifles or Sharps. Those folks get top dallar for simple old single shot. If you make henrys, 66's 73's 76's and 97 shotguns, it may cost a lot, but folks will pay if you make em as good as ballard or sharps. There will not be a ton of money there but it will be there. Look at harley davidson. Make them like the orgianals. no safetys, but good quality parts, YOU won't make a lot but you will make a little money. If you offer good quality cutom work, people will pay, and I will be the first!!!!!!!
i have three 94's. there an american institution.
An owner of two Mod 70's and a Mod 94, I had hoped to purchase a Mod 94 in 38-55 caliber this year, as shown in the 2006 catalog. I was unable to get one in 2005 and of course not this year either. Hoping they could be produced somewhere, maybe Japan, as the Browning 1885 (.45-70) I also have. I just can't believe with all the emphasis on Cowboy Action Shooting, and all the foreign made replicas that somehow we couldn't figure out a way to keep the 70's and 94's available. Even if they have to be made elsewhere, I would definitely buy an 1886 and an 1894. Hoping for a positive outcome.
I'd hate to lose this American legend.
This is what happens to an American company that has been purchased and managed by a foriegn entity, albiet FN has produced many of John Brownings' designs and was his major supporter for years.
The people of The United States of America better wake-up because this is what is happening to thier jobs, their country and their heritage all in the name of multiculturalism, globalism, and all of the other isms' that can be thought of just so a very few people can have the world the way they want it. This country was not founded with the selfish in mind. The founding fathers meant for all men in this country(as citizens) to be free of the encumberences of the few,i.e. nobility of europe. Now look where we are. It is the nature of the beast to be complacent and appathetic and the founders knew that. Thanks to our modern ethos we have to repaet what they had to do. I hope there are enough that understand and are willing.
Do it Mike, for the rest of us who can't. I'll buy everything you make as fast as I can.
To whoever purchases the Winchester Company.
Let me know if you are offering shares in this venture, as I would like to purchase some. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. Put me down for at least $1000 worth of shares.
Thanks
I was saving up for a new model 94 Timber when I heard that Winchester is no longer as we know it. Now I can't find a new one anywhere, and used ones are priced through the roof. Good for collectors, bad for the average working guy like me that has to scrape and save for his dream gun, only to become an unobtainable goal.
It is a sad day when our government will bail out a company like the Chysler Corporation, but let foreign investors close down the Winchester Company. I may be a little sentimental, but I think Winchester had a hell of a lot more to do with forming this country, than Chrysler!
WHEN I WAS SMALL BOY AND LOVE TO USE MODEL 94 TO HUNT. WILL MISS SO MUCH TO SEE IT END!
What Japanese shotguns is Paul talking about? Japanese Winchesters are the collector series and special runs. No shotgun I remember. .....(editor's note: The 101 was made in Japan...also 12 & 42, but under Brownings label. )
American icons; tradition; legacy; the American West; Jack O'Connor and the mdl 70; we MUST save Winchester!!!!!
After reading several of the letters posted, there seems to be a lot of mis-placed anger toward union labor producing product from what was once one of the finest firearm manufacturing establishments in the world. As I understand it the problems at Winchester started in the 1960's by letting the bean counters having to much control of the quality of the product, examples of this were the inexpensive (cheap) .22 rifles that were produced and nobody wanted, the complete redesign of the model 70s ( a good rifle but not what the public had come to expect from Winchester), and the overall cheapening of the model 94s, and the Japanese manufactured shotguns that bore the name of a once great company. The decisions that affected the quality and the manufacturing locations of the products were made by the managment team installed at the time and not by the unions representing the work force. It would a terrible shame to see another great American establishment fall prey to questionable accounting practices and unfair trade policies.
Just doesn't feel comfortable carrying anything but a Winchester lever action.I will never buy another product of Olin if they let the Winchester name go to another Country.
the quality has not been there for years.they will have to improve to keep people interested
please bring back the old winchesters!
I grew up in the 50s&60s with
the Westerns that had the
Winchester rifles in it. To me
it is as American a Apple Pie.
To lose this Company is to lose
a part of our Heritage, and the
History it represents. It was the Reason the West was Won!
Will fail again if they think the 94 was the gun that won the West . Lost the Cowboy market to the cloners of 66 ,73 and 92 rifles and never did a 97 or 1887 shotgun.
If factory had any chance at all of being profitable would not the machinist union buy it?
Come on Union put your money where your mouth is. I am sure union copuld come up with money to support a strike why not to buy the plant.
I support to save
WINCHESTER for the furture
I wish everyone involved in this endeavor the best of luck in retaining Winchester as a U.S. firearms crafter. Unfortunately, it may be too late to save it. If gun people, rather than bean counters, ran Winchester USA when Cowboy Action Shooting first took off, the factory would have made slow but steady profits in making originals of the replica guns made now in China, Brazil, and Italy. Shooters are a conservative bunch, and would have paid a reasonable increase in price over the foreign guns [some of which are good, some not] in order to get a consistent, high quality American product. Winchester did a similar thing with their Model 70 classic series, too little too late, though. This strategy could still work if: 1) Winchester became an employee-owened concern, with everyone sharing in reasonable profits for high-quality work 2) Winchester became independent from any competing armsmaker 3) Don't worry about selling to the average hunter. Most just buy the cheapest rifle anyway- they will upgrade to a Winchester when they see how much better their buddy's Winchester performs. Kimber pretty much does this with their centerfire rifles. 4) Move the plant to a more gun friendly area. I feel sympathy for the folks in the Northeast U.S., but the plant needs to be in an area where it will be supported consistently for the future. Thanks for the opportunity to state my opinion- I'd love to work for Winchester under those conditions!
Winchester guns are too much of an American icon to be lost. I believe that production of the 70 and 94 models can be improved and continued with the right people at the helm and that demand can be increased through good product/marketing.
Sell stock to raise capital.
I don't have a lot but I could come up with a few thousand to buy some stock. If the better than a quater of a million people who have e-mailed this site would just buy 500.00 to 1000.00 there would be plenty of money and the company would belong to America.
the company could be saved
Best of Luck in your efforts to keep Winchesters in production in the USA. I would certainly buy any of the models checked off above if they were made to the high quality standards. My first rifle was a Winchester Model 67 single shot .22 and I still regularly hunt with my Model 70 Featherweight.
best of luck in saveing a fine AMERICAN business.keep it that way......
is anyone started an ipo to get winchester going again?
Winchester has a long a proud history of manufacturing fine firearms. Their quality has always been top notch and it would be shameful to see that heritage go away.
I hope you are able to save a valued brand and part of American History. It is a shame to see it pass into the pages of history. They are parts of American Heritage. They are part of the tradtion that makes American great.
My wife and I LOVE our Winchesters'. We realize this is a business.. but it is also a part of our American Heritage and it would be ashame to lose this part of our history. The Unions need to back off and the Quality needs to improve.. that I am sorry to say has attributed to its poor sales and the fact that alot of American labor does not care about quality all they care about is that pay check (on all levels within the companies). We Americans I am very sorry to say have lost our focus and have allowed these other countries to walk all over our production factories as a whole... production down, union dues, people not doing the great job with in the company, somebody always unhappy about something, no pride in our workmanship, no job security, companies not treating their employees fairly Company and employees need to start working together to make their great company productive, guaranteeing good profits and a fair in come for all. To us that is what has been the down fall of American production... The Greatest country in the World.. Very difficult to put it all into words without a long dissertation. We do Hope that Some Great American company will purchase and start again producing a fine product that we all can be proud to stamp on it 'Made in America by Proud Americans'. Unions and Companies need to work together better in this changing world of today... We purchase our share.... We wish all of you in Connecticut All The Best in resolving this dilema. Know that I have jumped all over with my comments, but hope you all get the idea.
Like our American flag is a big part of my thinking,so is the name Winchester.Flag home MOM and apple pie all in one name Winchester.
Drop the Model 1300. Make sure quality control is priority one. Keep new models and commemoratives to a minimum. Don't research and develop newer cartridges...there are no gaps! Do not let accountants run the place. Only shooters and hunters should be in charge...they know what works and what is wanted by the public. Do not allow a union even if it means moving to another state that has right to work laws. Make the few models extremely well!
You can take all those chineese knock-offs and convert them into squirtguns and sell them in dollar stores for all I care. You will Never see one in my gun collection.
I would realy enjoy a 94AE or perhaps a 70 in 25-06 or 270. What was with Winchester trying to market the craze cal.'s? Ever notice what happens with companies who get to far from the basics?
I picked up a 1300 just last year, so now it turns out it may indeed be one of the last made. It has been quite reliable, and a great bird gun. Friend of mine was impressed with it so he went out and bought one in 20ga before there may be none left.
Btw before I forget I would like to address those who slam the 1300 just because it's not a model 12 or what not. They're a good gun that works.
Lastly if a group of American business people can make a run at reintroducing Ithaca Guns (http://www.ithacagunsusa.com respectivly), then Im sure it could be done with Winchester. Can the plants age deal with modern production and can the investors, and management stick to the basics and produce quality, and - stay competative and afloat? Time will tell. Best of luck to that venture. I'm just a regular working stiff, so about all I can do is pledge to purchase if they pull it off.
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Shot my first deer with a Model 70 XTR SA Featherweight in .243 Winchester caliber. To lose these awsome rifles would be a disservice to the shooting public! Long live Winchester!
I am primarily interested in the lever action rifles, however I also enjoy the 1300 series shotguns. The crossbolt safety SUCKS and has caused me several fumbles when it got bumped on by the saddle ring. I carry with a cocked hammer (easier to run the lever, less intiial resistance) on an empty chamber, so the crossbotl safety is nothgin but an irritation.
I strongly prefer the 1892 over the 1894.
I wish you well in your endeavor.
I own my grandfather's pre-64 model 70 .375 H&H; that served him well hunting buffalo, lion and elephant in the then Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia) in the 60's. Many South African hunters will be traumatised by the loss of this icon! Good luck Mr. Blank! Maybe you should take over Browning after reviving Winchester?
In a nutshell; Listen to your customers. We want Model 70's and Model 12's!! Drop the push feeds and the M1300 line.
Drop the Lawyer locks , crossbolt safety locks,etc. NONE of us want them.
Build real steel and wood QUALITY Winchesters and we will buy them.
BEST of Luck.
FN
I love Winchesters and would love to have them continue to be made in the US, but the quality must improve. Of the 4 New-In-Box Winchesters I bought in the last 2 years, three had to go back for repair. One couldn't be repaired. It had to be replaced with a new rifle, which then had to go back for repair, also. So USRAC had to eat the cost of a replacement rifle and repairs on each of the guns. I love Winchesters. I'd pay a premium for them, and a further premium to have them made in the USA, but the manufacturing team has to be accountable for the quality. And the company that buys the operation must have the capability to hold them accountable.
P.S. I actually like the model 1300.
It would be a shame to lose the American Rifleman's rifle. Hopefully, there is a way to keep Winchester production in the USA. Please try harder to make it happen.
Need I say more then the loss of the Md. 70 and 94 which where both icons and what all bolt and lever guns where judged bye, this can't happen in America.
May I ask and get responses to who we think can buy this big plant? Who can and then why would they? I am curious to see answers here. who and why please. ---- Forums are coming.....Mike
This closing was a great loss to American history and those of us who value truly American firearms.
I think requiring prospective licencees to manufacture the model 1300shotgun is a horrible mistake, the 1300 was a mistake.
I kept waiting for Winchester to bring back the model 12
like they brought back the pre-64 M70 as the "classic"
I think that optionally you should allow a prospective licensee to reintroduce the model 12 instead.
As for saving the historic plant? save the historic tooling and set the plant up somewhere else more friendly to gun ownership and firearms manufacture.
You would probably find a friend in Pennsylvania.
in short? SCREW Connecticut and it's blatantly anti-gun government.
We need to keep our American Factories American. Not Chinese or Japanese. Winchester made history in America. It needs to stay that way.
I believe when FN bought USRA it was to increase Browning sales and lower USRA sales. This was apparent when they moved thier offices to Utah. About two years ago when I called to order Winchester parts and was put on hold, all I heard was Browning advertisements. I advised the parts department that I called Winchester, not Browning. They tried selling me Browning parts instead of Winchester marked parts. I told them I bought a Winchester not a Browning and that I didn't appreciate them trying to shove Browning down my throat. If I wanted a Browning I'd have bought one. I own several Winchesters and no Brownings. It is a shame that the current owners have don't have better business skills. A very sad day.
It's a unfortunate the terms of the sale require that the new buyer make the 1300 shotgun in addition to the classic M94 and M70 rifles. There are still some who fondly remember the Model 12, the cowboy shooters are buying 1897 knockoffs from the Chinese, and the 101 & 23 doubles are works of art, but I've yet to meet the shooter who cares at all about any of the undifferentiated late production slide action or selfloading shotguns that wore the Winchester name. The shooting public is not lamenting the demise of the 1300; even this web page does not list it on its "What is your favorite Winchester Gun?" or "Gun models interested in?" surveys.
Winchester is about herritage and pride. The Winchester legacy should live on in America! American made means something to me and every true American. Champagne needs to come from Champagne france and Winchester rifles need to come from Newhaven Conneticut!
My first rifle was a Model 88 in 308. Since then I have added other models to my collection and I hope to add more.
I believe that this facility has made and should make many more quality firearms.
I own alot of firearms not a single Winchester. Friends of mine have owned the crappy made in Japan Winchesters never impressed me. Once I started hunting in Africa I became interested in the new crf m70. Probly would rather have a Mauser action.
I will support any offerings of rifles indicated above buy purchasing them.
I have a 52 now and would love more, as well as any other single shot rimfires.
Winchester has made immeasurable contributions to our nation and it's history. From putting food on tables to national defense, Winchester has always been there for Americans. It pained me to hear of the plan to close this historic plant. My hope/prayer is they find some way to keep it open.
My daddy shot his first dear with a Winchester lever action, and I was going to buy one to continue the heratige. Don't let this peice of American history die.
It is inconceivable to me to live in a world with out Winchester. My very first pheasant was taken with a Model 12 Pump, my first deer with a Model 70. My father was a tool and die maker and machinist. He always extolled the superior workmanship and quality of their firearms. He also was an avid reloader and used AA shotgun hulls and wads exclusively. To allow this all American institution to fade away is unthinkable. SAVE WINCHESTER!!!!
Winchester is as american as apple pie and baseball. But what do the fat cats care, as long as they make record profits...
Don't sell out.
So sad. Again, the rich people win, and the workers who make the money for the rich get screwed. When profits and tax breaks take precident over product QUALITY and CUSTOMER SERVICE, the ENTIRE COUNTRY LOSES! Just compare what Wal-Mart has become versus Costco or Boscov's! Cheap and dirty only work for so long. What do you lose if you payed a little more than the other guy, as long as you have a QUALITY item?
My pre '64 Model 70 National Match in 30/06 has the first 1/2" inch of the barrel shot out from use and can still put 5 rounds in a 1.25" group @ 100 yards. Not bad for a 30/06 who happens to be 45 years old! It shoots much better than modern rifles I have seen on the ranges as of late. Way too many people are interested in volume (7.62 x 39mm steel cased ammo) and not on accuracy and marksmanship. That is the price we are paying as Americans who are duped into buying all of this crap from outside of the US. Buy American and make sure it's American, not made by some 5 year old kid chained to a sewing machine making tee shirts or sneakers!
Did Winchester die a sudden death? The answer to this question is no!! 25 years ago Olin Coporation made the decison to license the Wincheter name to a company that would manufacture the firearms back in the early 80's. This company happened to be the same company that owned the Browning brand (now Herstal Group). This license was a long term agreement that resulted in Olin losing control of the brand for firearms and USRAC being established as the manufacturer of Winchester firearms under the Herstal Group. Over the past 25 years, one would only have to look at the growth of the Browning brand and the decline of the Winchester brand to conclude the strategy of Herstal. Olin's hands were tied based on the long term agreement and could only sit back and watch as Browning gained market share. Based on Herstal closing the New Haven plant at the end of March, this licensing agreement should be in question. If Herstal is still in the negotiations for the sale of this brand/company, do you really think they are going to be aggressive in finding a buyer to create a major competitor with the Winchester name? Olin needs to step in and take control because it is their brand. So, did Winchester die a sudden death. No, it was a long agonizing death over the past 25 years based on a poor business decision. I can only think this is not what John Olin wanted for his company. I wish Mr. Blank the best of luck in keeping this American Legend going strong in America.
to me winchester is part of our american heritage. In this day of over seas manufacturing it would be as it should if winchester stayed made in america. I would like to see them improve the quality even if they had to charge a little more for their products.
Hello--lets get this factory fired back up and lets produce some genuine Made in the USA reproduction Winchesters. I was very interested in an 1895 but then learned it would be made in Japan and decided against it. Norinco Arms of China is producing the 1897 Shotgun and the 1887 Shotgun in reproduction form and they are selling very well. If Winchesters management had done a little bit of homework they could have made profits that everybody would be envious of. Give us what we want and make it in the US... the money will follow. Just my thoughts... Hopefully there is hope left.
I have had a Winchester since I was a teenager and I currently own two. I can not imagine a world without Winchester We need to do everything we can to save this American Icon
I hate to see any American gunmaker go under. It's especially sad to see one of the great names like Winchester close their doors. Winchester has a lot of history behind them. They're an icon in American gunmaking. Losing Winchester would be like losing a part of American history.
winchester is a great gun and it is loved by the american people
I am saying that they should stay in business
I am very sorry to see the Winchester factory close down. However, I feel there is a market for copies of exact originals like the Winchester 73, 86, 92, and 94’s lever actions. May I suggest a new trade name, “Winchester Classic Rifle Company”? In addition, I would be correct in saying that buyers would prefer guns made to a higher gun finish and fitting quality comparable to the Winchester guns made prior to 1964. Simply, make the guns and the calibers as to what the customer wants. I also feel that the model 70’s should have and still been manufactured on a small, medium, large and magnum actions in pre 64 finish. I wish you good luck in adventure and I will keep my fingers crossed.
How can there be no more Model 70s? Charge $1500 for them if you have to....just keep making them!
Poseo un modelo 1894,caño octogonal nº de serie:692374,en perfecto estado de conservacion.Quisiera de ser posible saber su valor internacional.Gracias,espero respuesta.--- Por supuesto! ...Mike
I hope and pray someone out there can save this grand old American Company. It is about as thoroughly American as anything that comes to mind. What a shame if we allow it to parish completely.....
I worked at USRAC for 10 years. I was there the day they closed. I think it is just another symptom of Corporate America embracing greed before history. March 31st 2006 will be a very sad day for this country for years to come. What will we lose next? The Statue of Liberty? Maybe rent the White House. Oh, Sorry, that's been done.
If Winchester would build exact reproductions of their classic rifles I would gladly buy them.
What we need is a Winchester that essentially resumes production of classic rifles beginning at where the serial numbers stopped. I am well aware of what these rifles will cost and I am prepared to pay that price. What American Rifleman would not pay the price for a new old style Winchester 1873, 1895 high wall or 1886 made with to the old design and finish from modern steel and brass machined with modern CNC precission.
I would also invest in this tyoe of company
In this age of cowboy action shooting, levergun market should be better than ever. How
can Marlin keep on if WRAC can't? Hope you can salvage
& be better than ever!
We americans need to start suporting ourselve's.
If the winchester goes then whats next? anyone who ever bought a non american gun to save a buck is just helping put americans under, cheaper is not better.
Think about it....look back in our history, If there had never been a winchester company there may have never been the united states of america.
what would have won the west? what would have brought law and order to the streets?
what would have feed millions of americans with game on the table?
what would have protected those brave enough to settle and fight for this country?
What if there had been no winchester?
well now there isn't
If I had the money I would buy the company and keep winchester alive, like it did for so many past and present americans.
Just another victim of the UN's push for One World Gov't!! We
have lost MOST of our manufacturing to foreign labor;
to communist coutries, to corporate/gov't greed as American workers are laid off. Free Trade is an oxymoron; WTO,
CAFTA, NAFTA will destoy the American way of life. The answer?
GET US out of the UN!!
The passing of the Winchester Co. is an American Tragedy. We must try to bring it back if possible. This name and company are as much a part of America as the flag its self. Winchester firearms helped settle this country, uphold our laws and fought our wars. We can't let wichester die without a fight! Respectfully, James E. Taylor
At the very least,let's all wish these ex employees good luck finding future employment.Hopefuly it will be with the "New Winchester".Many thanks to all of those dedicated people who stuck it out at Winchester.God Bless and Be Well.
The folks in CT have been anti-gun for years (ref: Dodd, father and son), and the city of New Haven's law suit against firearms manufacturers. If Winchester as a brand name survives, it will certainly not be in CT, it may be in Belgium, or in a more "firearms friendly" state like Arizona, New Mexico or Wyoming. CT needs to be careful that their other big firearms manufacturer, Sturm-Ruger doesn't pull out for a friendlier environment.
A final note.... if Winchester is to return to the US, they need to produce a high quality firearm.
the winchester factory and the manufacturing of this historic product for year have been driven up and down by groups of investers whom in my judgement failed to understand the importance of the rifles and products made in this country by americans. and the importance of winchesters birth place. which is in the city of new haven ct. I want to see every effort made by the city of new haven sa well as the state of connecticut help this historic factory product and the employees that help this product what once was it can be done again.
I have had Winchesters of one kind or another for the biggest part of my life. As a matter of fact I have a 94 hanging on my wall right now.
What I would like to see is, if there is no American buyer for Winchester, then lets have a group of interested people get to gether and raise the money to start up a Winchester plant somewhere in the United States that it would be welcome.
I received my 38-55 Legacy just as the factory closing was anounced. It is sad to see a great American company go away. I have thought for years that the reproduction 1885,1892,1895 could have been manufactured in the Conn. plant. I hope that they come back with new U.S. owners.
1897's ARE MADE IN CHINA.
1892's ARE MADE IN JAPAN.
1873's ARE MADE IN ITALY.
NOBODY MAKING 1894's.
SOME GUY SAID HE'D RATHER SEE FORD AND GM GO UNDER (?????) DON'T WISH TOO HARD, YOU'LL GET THAT "LITTLE" WISH! THAT WOULD BE REAL, REAL NICE TOO!
GOOD GRIEF, PRETTY
SOON N-O-T-H-I-N-G WILL BE MADE IN AMERICA.
VERY SAD!!!!!! VERY BAD!!!!!!!
BUT, I'M SURE GUN CONTROL SUPPORTERS ARE THRILLED.
I WAS PLANNING ON BUYING A NEW MOD.70 AFTER I GOT THE NEW CATALOG 24" BARRELS IN STD. CALS.WAS SORELY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I GOT THE NEWS.HOPE YOU BRING IT BACK MY WIFE SONS AND MYSELF WILL SURELY SUPPORT YOU.
I am a huge model 94 fan. I am actually trying to buy a Trapper Compact .357 NIB but have not been able to find one.
If I can do anything to help, don't hesitate to contact me.
I have 4 children and was going to buy a 94 for the oldest one. Then the plant closed. Please start up production so I can give my kids good rifles.
Thanks!!!
I think what is happening to Winchester is a great shame. I happen to own 4 newer model 94 Rifles (none over 15 years old) and love them all. It sadens me to see a great rifle like this fall by the way side.
Permanantly loosing the Model 94 would be like loosing a part of America. If Winchester were to come back as a company dedicated to shooters, listening to what they want, I think they could take a lion's share of the market. The have superior designs & guns people desire. LISTEN to the people.
My Great Granpa my Granpa,
Dad Uncles all own Winchesters. I own one Winchester and would like to own more. But will not be able to afford them if they close. Winchester is an American legacy and I would rather see GM & Ford close. Save our American Heritage so all may someday own a WINCHESTER.
When I bought my first Winchester over 50 years, it was as good as it gets. But now... well there is plenty of blame to go around. The workers at the plant didn't really care or take pride in their products, the designers were continuously looking for ways to cut corners, and Herstal was looking at the bottom line.... maybe, just maybe if Olin takes back their license next year they can get Ruger or Remington to make Winchesters of the quality of days gone by.... but it will never happen at the old New Haven plant or under the previous owners.
I would order a m 70 featherwt 6.5x55. To keep the company open. One cannot balance the trade deficit with a service economy.Stop screwing US workers in the interest of a false economy.The robber barons have control. Save this fine company.,
Just a note of sadness from a Winchester user of over a half century.
My thought on this turn of events, is that what the management of Winchester has failed to do for the past half century is make Lever Action Winchester Rifle's & Carbine's the way the Company made them in the year's that made the Company great. I grew up at time when the name "Winchester Repeating Arms" meant "The Best."
If I could buy a Model 1894 Winchester new, that was of the same high quality and craftsmanship as one built in 1895, 1902 or 1922, the same fit and finish, the same high quality look and feel as those people expect of the name "Winchester', I'd be out out the door and on my way to my local Winchester Dealer this moment.
I sincerely hope it's not over. I hope this is a wakeup call to whom ever is in charge. When and if production begins again, make Winchester's the way they were made during the great year's of the Company. Before WWll. If it cost more to do it right, I believe people will pay for the quality they expect from Winchester. If they don't know how it should be done, have them give a call and I would be honored the show them.
John Seay
Author of: "Ballad of the Winchester Repeatinf Rifle"
Co-Host of the George Madis Documentary: "Winchester, The Good Year's, 1866-1895".
I appreciate your work and attention to solve a problem. I am another person who was shocked and saddened to hear about Winchester. Being part of our American heritage. Lets Pray for some union concessions as well to relieve some pressure and keep jobs in America.
I hope that Winchester will make a reappearance on the world market. I strongly believe that if Winchester were to make a comeback with a strong emphasis on Quality of firearms that were designed by people who love guns rather then penny counting executives they would be greeted by consumers ready to put their money on the line to support this legend in the firearms industry. Besides, it would be a travesty if the worldwide shooting public were deprived of this great name... God forbid they might have to even think about buying a Remington.
Come Back Winchester!
Classic MDL 70s with full Claw and quality workmanship
I am 64 years old and have seen many of our old company's sold to a foreign company or close. They even sold Indiana's toll road! We must stop the madness!
A great nation has lost a great piece of it's heritage. Winchester firearms are a bridge from the past-to the present-and hopefully to the future. If a capable buyer would study the problems the company faced-talk to the employees in sincereity-and dedicate themselves to a comprehensive restructuring philosophy, then American shooters can be given back something I fully believe they will support!!!
I believe Winchester would be sucessfully supported by the shooting community if they came back with a quality vengence. Allow design and quality production be done by firearms people instead of accountants. Lately the most sought after arms are the higher end brands proving that quality sells better than marketing a downgraded product.Lets bring them back right !
Save the american made Winchester...I will put my money where my mouth is, and hope that everybody will also.
A quality made Winchester in my opion without peer.If quality ans accuracy is where it should be I believe that the model 70 classic should market to the high end,such as Kimber,Cooper stc.
Winchester should remain making fine guns milled out solid steel. There allready is plenty of stamped out and or plastic junk on the market. I still remember Lynn Parson's coming over to our home for dinner after he did a Winchester trick shooting show at a nearby club. I really feel Winchester needed to promote the products the way they did in the past(1800's to 1959). You can only go so far with a magazine ad. Todd, Ohio
Ever since I was a child reading the works of Jack O'Connor I have enjoyed a true love for the model 70 rifles. All of my heros shot model 70s and I am happy to own a couple myself. Watching the demise of this rifle has brought a sadness to my life I thought I would never witness. It was as though I lost a dear friend.
Winchester is a big part of my life my dad bought me a mod 94 xtr 30-30 for my first hunting rifle and the first year I hunted with it I killed my first deer a 9 point buck and my kids will use it also and you just can't think of guns with out thinking of Winchester my 2 cents
Winchester was owned for years by a European company. This closing comes as no surprise. This is what happens when our government allows our country to be purchased by foreigners. Somehow, this HAS to be Clinton's fault.
You can't produce poor quality firearms under the lendendary name of Winchester if you want the support of gun owners. You've got to offer true customer service that takes a no questions asked (within reason) approach to fix the occational mistake of high quality manufacturing. If the costs of production are the same for a .30-.30 as they are for a .45LC, then the guns should be priced the same. If the costs differ, provide a truthful explanation of why. I think American ingenuity is too vital to our state of mind and moral fiber to lend credance to the nickname "slimechester"--Give us back part of our heritage by building honest-to-goodness Winchesters!
Money's been pretty tight lately, but I could spare enough for a new rifle, if it was a Winchester. America without Winchester is like a beach without water.
In Cowboy action shooting folks need Winchester 73's. We're buying them from Italy. We should be able to get American made '73's.
I hate to see us lose such a great American icon. Every time we lose another American-designed, American-made product, we lose a bit of our identity. By closing this plant (albeit, owned by a foreign company) and stopping production of these rifles and shotguns is a total shame. If someone does step up and purchase the plant, and the name, and starts to produce these rifles again, I know that I would personally never take it for granted again. And would do my part to keep it alive.
There are just a few things in American history you just dont do away with. Winchester is one of them. Lets get back to the American firearm that saved this country time and time again.
Seems to me that congress helped out Chrysler one time didn't they? I'd say Winchester is more of an American icon that Chrysler!
Dennis Schell
Shingletown, CA.
I hope the Model 70 can be saved. In my opinion, the 70 Classic was by far the best bolt action available, foreign or domestic
I'd commit to buying a couple rifles if you could pull it off, good luck.
The Winchester Model 70 & 94 are two of my favorite firearms in my collection. I hope they can be resurrected and produced again.
I will buy those items checked off above (and maybe more than one of each) to help support the return of Winchester to U.S. production.
I will pray for the return of this company to it's glory. It is an icon of American History and would be devistating to those of us who care about firearms and the history of such.
I wish those involved in the resurection of Winchester the best and I do pledge to honor my word in making the above stated purchases if it is brought back.
Sincerly,
Jay Wayman
I OWN A MODEL 94 LEGACY AND AN OLDER TOP EJECT 94, ALONG WITH A MARLIN 336W. I'VE READ LOTS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE LACK OF QUALITY ON THE POST-64 MODELS, REBOUNDING HAMMERS, SAFETIES, ETC. SOME OF THAT I'D AGREE WITH, SOME I WOULDN'T. THE FIT AND FINISH OF MY LEGACY IS JUST AS GOOD AS MY MARLIN. THE ONLY PROBLEM I'VE HAD WITH THE LEGACY IS THE OCCASIONAL MISFIRE CAUSED BY THE REBOUNDING HAMMER. I BELIEVE IF WINCHESTER IS REVIVED, THAT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED. I COULD LIVE THE SAFETY, CROSS-BOLT OR OTHERWISE IF IT MEANT WE COULD ENJOY 94'S AGAIN. MARLIN HAS A CROSS-BOLT SAFETY AND I HAVEN'T NOTICED AS MANY PEOPLE CRITICIZING THEM FOR THAT. I HOPE THAT WINCHESTER 94'S CAN BE REVIVED AGAIN AND WILL SUPPORT IT HOWEVER I CAN IF IT IS.
I own 2 94s and hate to see the tradition end. It's a part of our American heritage.
I have bought many Winchesters over the past twenty years and every intention of continuing to purchase Winchesters. I am a Levergun enthusiast and have been really pleased with the offereings of late. I was very excited to purchase one or two or three takedown 94's, but of course, that never came to be. I have marked "other" in the poll because I love, collect, shoot, and hunt with Model 71s, if which I own several. Good luck in your endeavors.
I'd commit to buying a rifle from a revived, U.S.-made Winchester Co.
Winchester rifles have been a part of the history of our nation. Mr. Blank, THANK YOU!
I wish you success, so future
generations of Americans can own a true piece of American
history.
Please keep the plant open. Winchester is an American Icon. I would continue buying guns from them!!!
Negotiate hard, get as much help from the city as possible and lock them in on what ever they promise, Get Rid of the Union. They aren't in it for pride they are in it for the dollars. I don't think the Union is your friend. (More like an anchor to a drowning man) God Bless
When I heard Winchester was closing I wanted to cry. This was a true American Icon if there ever was one. I hope someone can do something to bring it back. And really the quality in the past few years was really not that bad. I have bought a few newer 94's that had great fit and finnish and shot even better. I would buy more if I could?????????
Please make them - and make them here in the USA.
I try to purchase (1) new gun a year, I have several Winchesters and was next planning to purchase a 375 Big Bore. Could not find one, even before the announcement of the plant closing, I'm sure a purchase of a model 70 Classic, wood/ss would be in my future if possible.
God
bless.
Bring back the 94 at pre-64 quality and I swear I will buy three...Trapper, octagon barrel, and a take-down. Also, bring back the 73 for us Cowboy Action shooters. Hate shooting Italian Winchesters!
I would love to see an American company take over the Winchester product line and maybe with new management turn a profit. I would certainly support such a company by purchasing a new rifle or two.
I could see limiting the selection, but closing down an American icon?
Winchester 1894's are the American Riflemans rifle. No other firearm carrys the history and ledgend of the Winchester line. It would be a terrible shame if these guns disapeared.
John Wayne patrolling the streets of El Dorado with his Winchester. What's more American than that? Mr. Blank, good luck, I pledge one more new 1984 to hang between the other two.
Winchesters are my preferred rifle, and need to remain available at the retail level at my local gunstore. These are as "American" as apple pie and Mother.
Thank you for trying to do this. I pray the dream comes true.
I have not been pleased with the offerings of recent years, but if we could return to well-made guns, I would certainly buy from an AMERICAN company. I love leverguns and I hated to see the plant close.
I believe their quality control slipped and that was factor in their demise. Several 94's that I purchased in the last few years were basically junk and I got rid of them. IF they put the old time winchester quality back in them I will buy them again.
A 1300 pump defends the house and a model '94 brings venison to the table. What more could a good ol' boy want?!? Keep Winchester made in America!!!
Winchester firearms are an integral part of the American experience. They should not be allowed to disappear any more than Ford or GM should be. The world is diminished with their loss.
My first gun was a Buffalo Bill 94 BB gun. Then I bought a 9422. Now I want a high quality, American made 1894. I toured the Frazier Museum in KY, I know what American guns used to look like.
Bring them back,Americans need Winchesters made in the USA.
I have owned Winchesters nearly all my life, and certainly wish the factory to remain at it's original location, New Haven, CT, USA.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
My first gun was a Daisy Model 1894 lever action BB gun. I've had a Winchester of some sort ever since. I want my grandchildren to grow up with them too!!!
Mike Cole
There is a demand for traditional Winchester lever guns; hence the number of foreign produced Models 1866, 1873, 1885, 1892 and most recently an Italo-German 1876. I beleive a quality Model 1894 built to the original design will sell. Lever gunners are largely traditionalists - the recent "improvements" to the Model 1894 are not popular. Good luck with this enterprise.
The Winchester model is THEE Rifleman's rifle and was the standard by which all other bolt action rifles were compared until 1964, and more recent with the resurrection of the model 70 Classic line. The model 94 is the derr hunter's rifle a popular classic for over 100 years and a tie to our western heritage. Seeing these two clasics die is like hearing a beloved family remember is passing away. We HAVE TOO get these two classics back into production preferably in the US, it's an American icon which should not die.
I'd like at least the quality that existed with the flat-band 94s, and no liability safeties. If you must, a lock like Ruger put on the New Vaquero would be acceptable. No tang or cross-bolt safeties. I'd like to see the guns Made in America, too. Ok, so I might have to pay a bit more, paying for quality isn't a problem.
Unless/until new guns are made that I like I'll just buy the originals...
Mr. Blank, best of luck to you.
First Win was a Model 71 348 that I hunted deer with...the latest are 7mmRemMag and 338WinMag. Am looking for a 375 H&H; Safari when you closed....will mot pay 2000 or more for an 1175 gun. Damn shame this situation killed this fine old line company.
Bring them all back,but the way they were designed.not with rebounding hammers and all the add on junk. the 94 the way John Browning made it is an excellent rifle,as are all the rest. I have shot WINCHESTERS for more than 40 years. get rid of foreign companys. Jim.
I stiil NEED a 25-06 to go with the rest that I have. Great rifles!
I support bringing back Winchester as an Americam owned corp. I am looking at buying a new Marlin and have considered a Rossi 92 Model.
I will put it off for a while and commit to buying at least one 94 if Win is brought back. I agree with other posters,loose the rebounding hammer and the safety. I personally don't care if it is in New Haven but somewhere in the USA.
I OWN SEVERAL WINCHESTERS 94-1885-1892-70-9422-1300-. AND WOULD LIKE TO BUY MORE I AM GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SAVE THE FACTORY
Bring them all back, I want mine to say Winchester Repeating Arms Co., New Haven, CT USA
I am pleased to see someone is trying to save the Winchester factory, and keep it here in the United States. But in order for Winchester to survive if the factory is reopened, it has to produce products people want. And that is where USRAC has fallen flat on it's face. I bought my last new Mdl 94 in 1986. 20 years ago. Why? Because I cannot stand the abominable rebounding hammer actions and the idiotic safetys. I'm not too partial about the angle eject either, but that I can live with. My last 94 was a Trapper in .45 Colt. I got rid of the rebounding hammer action and have been using it since. But because of the USRACs use of the rebounding hammer action with its heavy gritchy trigger pull, the safetys, and the lack of quality control I've avoided buying any since. And judging by the number of negative posts I've read on the various shooting forums, I'm not the only one.
I'm not really into bolt action rifles, nor shotguns, so I rarely look at those. But I am a serious lever action rifle person.
If Winchester is rescued I will do my best to purchase one or more new ones. But I would really like the actions returned to the half cock design, and the safetys be done away with. I think that would go a long way towards bringing the buying public back to Winchester. Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to return to drilling the sides of the recieves for side mount receiver sights either.
J Miller
I've got an idea on how to support the future production of Winchesters in the US. Bring them back, produce them in this country and I pledge to buy one. I challenge others to join me, whether you currently have one or ten, whether you "need" another or not, if they come through, buy one.
I actually felt sick when I first saw the news on Leverguns.com.
We can not let this happen I've 3 children who need to enjoy the unigue design that is the model 94!!
DEAR MR. BLANK,
GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR EFFORT TO SAVE WINCHESTER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT OR NOT, BUT YOU WILL BE IN MY PRAYERS. NOT HAVING WINCHESTER IS LIKE NOT HAVING MOM, BASEBALL, AND APPLE PIE.
AGAIN, GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR EFFORTS.
As a business owner and an avid Winchester collector, I am disheartened and discouraged by the news of Winchester closing it's doors and discontinuing to manufacture branded products.
As a hunter and a patriotic American, it's akin to burning the U.S. flag!
Whatever it takes, we must not allow this American legacy to die!
How can I help?
President G W Bush is sending all our manufacturing jobs to other countrys. Write, email and call him. Wake-Up! Your job could be next!
WINCHESTER BELONGS IN THE U.S., IF IT COSTS TOO MUCH TO STAY IN NEW HAVEN THEN BRING IT OUT WEST WHERE WINCHESTERS RULE!
We cannot allow this to happen. If we Americans could save Chrysler Corp from bankruptcy "back then" we certainly can help this American Icon!! Step forward America. Tell Olin to keep the Winchester name here and we will support the new owners with our pocketbooks. Such legends as the M94,the M70 and the 1300 must live on. With a solid parent company behind it,Winchester can expand it's R&D; to develop solid new models as well. Perhaps an updated M100 and M88 centerfire rifle. Maybe a revived M1892 made right here. I know I will never purchase a Herstal-hijacked Winchester,ever! I want mine American made. Used to like Brownings too,now I will divest of mine and never own another. Save Winchester!!!
Why are the lever-actions being discontinued? Have you seen what their selling for on gunbroker.com? There is a market for these rifles, so charge more if needs be.
could it be American people have let Winchester down? I ask again. What new firearm brand have you bought in last 4 years?
john
Stay American made and provide jobs for the American people as you have done for over 100 years. Don't let your forefathers down.
It would be a travesty to see the Winchester name die or see it manufactured overseas. I'll refuse to buy one if Herstal restarts manufacturing at an overseas location. I hope a U.S. buyer comes along and Olin grants that company the Winchester license.
Losing Winchester, the history of the company, and its firearms would be an American travesty. From the "Gun that won the west", to the Model 1300 shotgun that defends many homes and law enforcement officers today, Winchester firearms have always had a place in the hands of American citizens.
I see this as yet another blow to American manufacturing and American workers. I certainly hope that everything can and will be worked out in order to re-open USRAC's doors.
I'm also afraid that the closing of the American manufacturing plant will be another feather in the caps of the anti-gunners, and a blow to our pro 2A crowd.
As a collector and a shooter I will lend my support in the effort to re-open this great American icon.
We should help save Winchester the way Winchester helped save us.
Winchester helped settle the American frontier, win 2 world wars, and teach many a youngster the outdoors. Winchester is the United States of America!
Given the former Winchester Repeating Arms Company's pivotal role in both the development and preservation of the United States, it would be a tragic historic loss to see its demise.
Hopefully, that will not now be the case and I encourage anyone interested in Winchester to voice their support for the efforts to retain the name in New Haven.
keep winchester going & stay in the USA
The Winchester tragedy is just another chapter in the downfall of American manufacturing. Winchester was one of scores of industrial concerns that were able to step up when our nation was in need.
If America faced a two ocean war as it found itself thrust into in 1941 could it convert it's industry to war-footing so quickly? Would our "allies" jump to our aid and develop and manufacture our weaponry with such zeal?
What will happen when GM, Boeing etc, close their doors?
I, for one, refuse to buy a foriegn-made Winchester.
One factor that contributed to the demise of Winchester was their "Walmart guns"... firearms with reduced features,quality?, etc to allow them to be sold cheaply at Walmart stores.... these Wally-world specials have little resale value, no collector value, and most independent dealers refused to carry them, let-alone trade them in. So, in part URAC and their Herstal are the blame for the demise... an era is over, gone and lost forever.... because as long as the "cheapies" are out there... there will be mud on the modern Winchester name. I have one pre-64 M70 which will never leave my possession and 6 Rugers (M77 and Nr1).... if the modern Winchester has been up to par... it might be the other way around.
I appreciate your website, and I am yet another person who was shocked and saddened to hear about Winchester. I hope this whole mess can be worked out somehow to bring them back as an American Classic, and since this has happened, I have seen a lot of fans of Winchester shocked by these events. I hope Olin can come up with a good solution to this because Herstal has run the good name of Winchester right through the mud.
I have Four New USRACs purchased since the turn of the century.
Not realizing I was running out of time I had two more in mind a 9417 and a 45LC trapper. I was shocked at how quickly all Winchesters cleared the shelves at gun shops within 300 miles of home, just as so as the anouncment was made.
Company loss projections of $1,000,000.00 per month amounts a break even price increase of $150.00 based on company production estimates of 80,000 guns. An 800.00 lever gun instead of 500.00 would lengthen time between purchases for but...
As a former manager at Winchester in the late '60's and 70's, I am greatly distressed to see the plant close. Sadly, failed long-term efforts to make consistent profits have done in this magnificent lady. My favorite Winchester, the Model 9422, will reside in my gun rack forever.
Although I have never owned or fired a gun of any kind, I must express my appreciation to the wonderful Winchester family.
In the 1962-63 school year, I was a member of Junior Achievement, in a mini-company called Jawinco (Junior Achievement WINchester COmpany), that was sponsored by Winchester.
The company donated some beautiful blocks of surplus walnut wood; and with the help of Winchester mentors in manufacturing and marketing, we high school students assembled and sold desk-top pen sets.
We begged our neighbors to buy stock in our company, and returned a few weeks later to sell them our products. At the end of the school year, we paid our stockholders a 10% dividend (on their 50-cent shares) and used the remaining funds to have a going-out-of-business pizza party.
I still have the lapel pin I was awarded for my expertise in marketing. The business lessons I learned from the Winchester volunteers when I was 17, are still helping me at age 60. The importance of mentoring was an equally valuable lesson.
Thank you, Winchester.
how many of you have bought new Winchester in last five years? I hear people buying Henry, CZ and other imports. People upset about plant closing should have bought some USA built product and not imports.
My first rifle was a Winchester 94. I still have a 94. I would buy any of the above firearms in a heartbeat. I can't believe with the high demand of cowboy action that this is happening to this fine company.Whatever support is needed to keep the product here and to keep making Winchester Rifles , I am behind it.
Rick Davis
I visited the plant. Don't believe the hogwash about money lost. Maybe the management shouldn't have disabled the manufacturing ability. By the way do the models like the Super XII make a profit and does this contribute to total sale's
Closing Winchester is a severe blow to an American icon. I have several Winchesters and cherish each of them. I think another American company should step up and help those who are proud to own and build these guns, continue an American tradition. We should never give up on something like this!
We have given away or lost enough companies in this country. It needs to stop now with Winchester.
I firmly belive that Winchester should remain open. It serves a valuable commodity for public use. We need to save the jobs of these workers in New Haven Ct.
Thank you.
please don't give up. loosing winchester would be like loosing the whitehouse.....
winchester rifles in many ways represents a way of life--freedom,honesty,a love of the outdoors.all these things are important to us and we want to preserve them for our kids.if you guys dont save winchester then maybe the other things dont mean too much to you either--good luck
Winchester firearms will not only be missed in the USA but also in Australia and indeed the rest of the world . A very sad day for both our countries history . We can only hope a new buyer comes along but its not looking good.
Winchester belongs to America and its production should continue in New Haven. To lose this part of our country's history and heritage is heart breaking.
My dad has a winchester, he shot his first deer with it, it was handed to my brother then to his sons. It is a cherished part of our family heritage, Keep the heritage going, These are great guns and we are proud to have them in our State,
Keep the factory open,
I have shot many small and big game with Winchester shotguns and rifles. It is very sad for me to see the Winchester brand vanish from the American scene. I hope all parties invloved reconsider this decision and in some way continue to produce the famous Winchester firearms in the U.S. This should not happen to an American icon. Also I would like to see the Model 71 be again reintroduced.
I am an indirect relative of Oliver Winchester. (My great-grandmother was a Winchester) and I would like to see Smith & Wesson or some other American Gun Co. purchase the name and make these awesome guns once again.
Sincerely,
J. Gamble
Clayton, CA
The Winchester Model 70 will always be "The Rifleman's Rifle". There will be a new producer of the Winchester line. Put the Winchester name in the hands of gun-loving owners and craftsmen.
Howdy,
I have an idea. Since there are millions of Winchester guns out there in the general public, why don't those who own the rights to the name open a relocated and modernized shop called "The Winchester Custom Smithshop" hiring those of experience and talent from the layoff that were willing and repairing, remanufacturing, and custom manufacturing the Winchester models.
Frank.
There is demand for "quality" Winchester guns (just look at the "panic" buying), someone needs to grab the riegns of that horse (Winchester) and bring it back on track!
Let's make Winchester the next Harley Davidson -- a great name abandoned by foreign owners and revived to greatness in the USA.
This is not the end that the most storied name in firearms deserves!
The model 94 is the best lever gun ever, I was so sad when I found out it was not going to be produced anymore.
Instead of ending an era, let's save a way of life.